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Today's Topic: Gnosticism
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Christianity And Apologetics :: Re: If God Is Love, Why Does He Punish Innocent People?
Author: McCulloch
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:33 am (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 19
scorpia wrote:
I would also like to add that whether God punishes someone or not doesn't stop him from being a loving God.
This sounds not that much different from most abusers' rationalizations.
In July 1209, the crusaders surrounded the town of Bziers and demanded that the Cathars be handed over; the demand was refused. Although Bziers is believed to have held no more than 500 Cathars, the whole population was slaughtered. According to the Cistercian writer Caesar of Heisterbach, one of the leaders of the Crusader army, the Papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, was asked by a Crusader how they might distinguish the Cathars, their enemies, from other citizens. He answered: "Kill them all! Surely the Lord discerns which ones are his." Contemporary sources give estimates of the number of dead that range between seven and nearly twenty thousand. [sarcasm]Certainly the lesser of two evils.[/sarcasm]
scorpia wrote:
The Egyptians enslaved his people, and he got darn well angry enough to set out several plagues against them. That is because he cared.
He cared perhaps about the children of Israel. There is no evidence in the text that He cared about the Egyptians. At this phase of the development of the idea of God, YHWH is a tribal god of a nomadic people. He even hardened Pharaoh's heart, in order that He could show how powerful He was. In no stretch of the imagination, can this attitude be considered love towards the Egyptians._________________{ Prove | Test } { everything | all things }. Hold { fast | on } [to] { that which | what } is good.
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Christianity And Apologetics :: Re: Will I Get Into Heaven?
Author: Cogitoergosum
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:00 pm (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 130
MagusYanam wrote:
CES:
Why should morality be consequentialist? I find that the easiest ethical system for most people to accept and put into practise is not consequentialist but deontological (or sometimes virtue-based). That doesn't make it correct, but that is a consideration that needs to be made. Also, it might be expedient to make it clear that it is your opinion that consequentialist ethics should be followed instead of begging the question.
You are right tat u cannot have only a consequentialist ethics because sometimes it is hard to define if the consequence of ur decision are really sound or not, but only having an absolutist ethics is even worse. With time our ethical values are improving, we might get to a better system of good and bad soon.
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Also, while religion is the root of many of the world's ills, it can also be a powerful tool for doing good. Saying that religion is a loaded weapon in the hands of Osama bin Laden or George W. Bush may be a sound metaphor, but in the hands of Martin Luther King, Jr. or Mother Teresa or Mohandas Gandhi, you can see how the metaphor becomes problematic at best.
Also right, every religion has both the good and the bad in them, if people choose to be good it is becaue they are inherintly good people, if they choose to be evil it is because they are. No murderer or thief.... has been deterred by the fear of god or even earthly punishment. I don't believe people pick their morals from the scriptures. But i do believe that the only times good people have been driven to commit hainous crimes it was under the banner of religion. Thinking that they are serving god this way. From persecuting the cathars to the crusades, the inquisition, the jihad and the terrorism of islam we see today, to the japanese cult launching sarin gas in the subway. Martin luther king and mother theresa might have cared for others even in the absence of religion but all previous acts would probably not have hapened in the absence of religious beliefs._________________It has served us well this myth of christ
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Christianity And Apologetics :: Re: Does God Exist? (vs.) Has Materialistic Evolution Occurred?
Author: Abiele777
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:14 pm (GMT -5)
Topic Replies: 31
bernee51 wrote:
Abiele777 wrote:
Yes, an atheist believes there is no God, that God does not exist. Nevertheless, should materialistic evolution be demonstrated to be false, and indeed this has come to pass, then atheism becomes an intellectually untenable, unsatisfying, world view.
I do not base my atheism of the truth or not of evolution. I base it on a 'best fit' for the evidence avialable for the existence or not of god.
Abiele777 wrote:
I know God exist.
And I know he/she/it doesn't.
Abiele777 wrote:
I have talked to God and He has spoken to me. I have met and been with Jesus.
Many have met and talked with alien lifeforms (or so they claim). I read somewhere that something like 3% of Americans claim alien abduction.
Abiele777 wrote:
I would not call myself a Gnostic Christian because Gnosticism has already been defined and associated with a cult.
So everyone else is wrong because you say so?
Abiele777 wrote:
The very definition of atheist is the conviction that there is ?No God?, all atheist hold to this positive assertion that God does not exist.
Here is the 'equation' (again)
Theism = belief in the existence of god(s)
Atheism = non belief in the existence of god(s)
Got it?
Abiele777 wrote:
.Every atheist I have spoken to, including some of my college Professors, always have declared Evolution to be a fact. This must be so for them because they believe no God exist.
I would suggest that they declare evolution is a fact because that is what the available evidence points to. Belief(or not) in god is a separate issue.
e paper collection at Harvard U. My statement is valid.
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This is to confirm that I have read your post Bernee. Other than what I have already written, i have nothing more to say on what you have written.
BTW, my wife is an Australian citizen from Brisbane. We visited Australia 2 decades ago, Sydney and Brisbane. I had a wonderful time there. What part of Australia are you living?...
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